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Tampico
Trailblazer
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:59 pm Posts: 101 Location: St. Paul, MN
Isle Royale Visits: 3
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 Mystery
I'm planning a trip to ISRO on my boat this August. I was using Google Earth to scout out some anchorages. Google has acquired some more recent imagery (May 2009) since the last time I took a look at the island and I noticed something interesting.
If you look at the following sites, you might notice it too.
Rock Harbor Daisy Farm Moskey Basin Chippewa Harbor Wright Island Siskiwit Belle Isle
I've been to many of these places and did not notice anything while on the ground.
Did you find it?
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| Mon Jul 19, 2010 8:47 pm |
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Tom
Forum Moderator
Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:16 pm Posts: 219 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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 Re: Mystery
If you're referring to the alien landing sites, we're not supposed to talk about those... ...Perhaps you could give us a small hint?
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:49 am |
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DonNewcomb
Bushwacker
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 238 Location: Miss. Gulf Coast
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 Re: Mystery
He's talking about the nude sunbathers. Those are really high resolution air photos! 
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:19 am |
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Tampico
Trailblazer
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:59 pm Posts: 101 Location: St. Paul, MN
Isle Royale Visits: 3
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 Re: Mystery
Hint. Quote: I've been to many of these places and did not notice anything white on the ground.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:23 am |
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MikeW
NewbieCake
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:27 pm Posts: 15 Location: Chicago Burbs
Isle Royale Visits: 2
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 Re: Mystery
Buried treasure. Windigo too.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:02 am |
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DonNewcomb
Bushwacker
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 238 Location: Miss. Gulf Coast
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 Re: Mystery
Tom wrote: ...Perhaps you could give us a small hint? I think it's the air-photo targets. I'm going to check on the USGS site and see if the orthophotos are available for download. Here's http://www.blm.gov/or/gis/geoscience/aerial_faq.php some information from BLM. Scroll down to "Control Panels".
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:10 am |
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Tampico
Trailblazer
Joined: Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:59 pm Posts: 101 Location: St. Paul, MN
Isle Royale Visits: 3
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 Re: Mystery
I missed the Windigo one. Thanks for the link/info Don. I was sort-of hoping for some kind of gubment conspiracy... 
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 9:44 am |
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Midwest Ed
LNT Expert
Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:25 am Posts: 50 Location: Quad Cities, IL
Isle Royale Visits: 7
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 Re: Mystery
These are the Control Panels at Daisy Farm, Rock Harbor and Belle Isle: They are reflective targets that are manually placed to highlight either permanent USGS or temporary survey markers, in order to calibrate the location of the photos. Daisy Farm Rock Harbor Belle Isle
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 12:47 pm |
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Pioneer Spirit
NewbieCake
Joined: Thu Jul 08, 2010 5:49 pm Posts: 14 Location: McArthur, Ohio
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 Re: Mystery
I saw one painted in the middle of a country road in Ohio several years ago.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 4:11 pm |
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fonixmunkee
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Joined: Tue Sep 11, 2007 11:58 am Posts: 262 Location: Soupe Towne, WI
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I thought maybe they were part of the camera-taking apperatus to gauge or measure something within the photo itself, but it doesn't appear to be the case. If you scroll in and out of the sat images, the crosses resize larger or smaller.
Plus, it's ironic that they are all near a "developed" part of IR. Must of been put out by the NPS for something...surveying?
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:36 pm |
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DonNewcomb
Bushwacker
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 238 Location: Miss. Gulf Coast
Isle Royale Visits: 0
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 Re: Mystery
fonixmunkee wrote: Must of been put out by the NPS for something...surveying? They are part of the process of photo interpretation. They are placed at known, surveyed, control points and allow the photogrammetrist to adjust the image to fit the spatial reference system. Once you have the known points "nailed down" you have a much better model of what is happening in between.
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| Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:27 pm |
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Midwest Ed
LNT Expert
Joined: Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:25 am Posts: 50 Location: Quad Cities, IL
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The surveyed control "points" that Don describes actually look like this:  This one has not yet been stamped with its serial number and other survey information. After stamping, the location and elevation are recorded by the USGS (US Geologic Survey). Permanent USGS markers can be used to calibrate the photograph as Don described or sometimes 2 temporary markers are installed by surveyors. For the temporary units they sometimes only need to install them with a known distance separating them. The bright white markers are simply like big arrows pointing at these small markers.
_________________ 7 trips, 1975 x 2, 1976 x 2, 1978, 1985, 2000 . . . gee it's been 10 long years
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| Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:30 am |
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Tom
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Joined: Sun Feb 03, 2008 10:16 pm Posts: 219 Location: Twin Cities, Minnesota
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 Re: Mystery
In this case, I'm certain they're temporary markers, given they're out in the open/field areas. I guess I presumed they're mostly for aligning the overlapping flight runs. Here's one of the official markers, called "Falls" and is near Siskiwit Falls/Malone Bay. Attachment:
IR_Marker.jpg [ 100.57 KiB | Viewed 135 times ]
Placed back in 1938, it's now in the middle of the woods, essentially. If you look at a Topo map, for instance the Trails Illustrated map from National Geographic, you'll find this one on the map as a small triangle with the elevation of 663 just west of camp. My understanding is that they were the triangulation points.
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| Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:25 pm |
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DonNewcomb
Bushwacker
Joined: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:48 am Posts: 238 Location: Miss. Gulf Coast
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 Re: Mystery
Tom wrote: In this case, I'm certain they're temporary markers, In this day and age, you drive a pin in the ground and collect GPS data over it for an hour and you have as good a benchmark as if you were over a brass disk.
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| Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:38 am |
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